The Prevalence of Sloppiness in Shred Guitar

The Prevalence of Sloppiness in Shred Guitar

First off: Happy Valentines Day!
May you have an incredibly fun day with loved ones today.

Second off: I didn’t mean for the title of the post to sound like clickbait.
This title hits home what this post is about: most shredders play much less clean than your ear can tell.

For one, it’s interesting to note how much the sloppiness and detail can be covered up with the instrumentation and mix, but also with the actual high speed playing itself. (later more about that).

Here’s Yngwie Malmsteen‘s Caprici Di Diablo with the full mix.

Here’s Yngwie Malmsteen’s isolated guitar on that Caprici Di Diablo recording.

Notice how the sweep arpeggios are much less clean than they appear in the full mix with all the other instruments.

Now: it still sounds pretty clean.
A large part of the sloppiness gets covered up just by how fast the notes are flying by.
Students who want to become better at shredding should contemplate the interesting lesson embedded in the previous sentence

However: an interesting picture emerges when you slow down the recording.
Following excerpt of the beginning of the song, is 90% slowed down.

Notice how the last note of the chromatic 3-note pedal point appears missing on beat 2 of the 2nd bar, making it sound like he’s sacrificing the end of the pedal point to rush into that sustained ending note.

Then in the 2 bar scale sequence that starts on the first beat of the 3rd bar: notice how at the end of the sequence, end of bar 4, the scale sequence ends in a slide as a means to try to get the ending E to fall right on beat 4. (Almost like he ran out of notes but still needed the E to end on 4)

Overall: many of the scalar parts seem rushed going into the next part.
Not all the notes sound very defined, or sometimes even sacrificed, left out, missed.

This oftentimes surprises people, when they first come to realize that the playing of their favorite shredder is quite sloppier than their ears could tell.

Important disclaimer: By no means am I now trying to downplay the artistry, quality, contributions or musicianship of Yngwie Malmsteen or other shredders.
Not only is what he is doing really hard, I also have bought quite a large number of Yngwie’s albums since I started playing guitar at age 16.

I absolutely LOVE his playing and his music.

This blog is meant more as some sort of motivational message really!

  1. While many fans generously utter the words “God’ or “Genius” when talking about their favorite guitarists, slowing down their recordings usually shows that those guitarist we look up to, are only human too.
  2. It puts things in the right perspective. Seeing things in the right perspective is healthy (for your mind), because it relieves you, the student, from holding on to your unrealistic expectations you submit yourself to.
  3. Next time you beat yourself up for not seeing results fast enough to your liking, or for sounding sloppy, keep in mind that even most top level shredders who all made it their live’s goal to play fast and clean, have more sloppiness in their playing than you realize. (as shown in this blog).

    The only difference is that they play so fast that you (almost) can’t hear the sloppiness all that much anymore because it passes by too quickly, or they’ve gotten better at hiding it.

I’m only using Yngwie as an example, because Yngwie is the ultimate arch-shredder, but the message conveyed in this blog, applies to many more shredders than one would think.

Technical Guitarists Who Plan vs. Those Who “Wing it”

Another interesting thing you learn about shredding from digging deeper into shred compositions and solos, is the role of planning vs. just winging it.
The main way you can tell whether a shred guitar part was entirely transcribed and planned as a composition, or winged, is in the rhythmic placement of the notes.

Steve Vai and Joe Satriani, you can tell, are examples of guitarists who (for the most part) plan out their solos, meticulously choose their notes, and then practice their composed solos before recording them.

The rhythmic placement is meticulous, the number of notes per beat “makes sense”, and nothing feels rushed or dragged.
Every odd number of notes on a beat, feels like it was meant, like it is part of the design of the solo.

Everything sounds very controlled, designed, well-thought off.
A decision was made about every note, chord, rhythm: nothing was left to chance.

Steve and Joe are the kind of composers who go trough great length to ensure that the composition says EXACTLY what they want it to say, and that the listeners hear and feel what the composer was trying to evoke, as closely as possible to the composer’s vision.

One of the results of this approach, is that the overall performance of faster shred guitar passages, tends to sound significantly cleaner.
They’re not “winging” it, so to speak.

Yngwie however, usually doesn’t sound like he meticulously composed his lines.

While Steve Morse, Vai and Satriani’s melodies sound like compositions, Yngwie’s melodies sound like solos, like a series of parts he made up on the spot (without giving them all too much thought) and tried to fit together into a song.

Oftentimes the number of notes in Yngwie’s longer scalar lines, feels “arbitrary”.

It literally feels like he’s “pushing” a certain number of notes, to fit into a defined number of beats.

To describe this another way: it sometimes sounds like he’s trying to play as fast as he can, stretching the time, number of notes, or note placement in each scalar or arpeggio passage, as a means to manipulate where the ending note will ultimately land.

This sounds obvious when you slow down the recordings.
You then hear more easily how many of the endings of longer scalar lines sound rushed or even sloppy, stumbling over (sacrificing) ending notes to force the ending note of the melodic passage to fall on the desired beat.

I gave 2 examples about this above, referencing to the slowed down excerpt of Caprici Di Diablo.

The randomness this loose composition approach introduces, leaving things a bit to chance, is part of the reason why the performance becomes sloppier.

In case you would like me to clarify on a deeper level what I mean with “randomness”: play the slowed down excerpt and count the beats 1 2 3 4 along with the music.

Especially pay attention to the scalar line that starts on the first beat of the 3rd bar.
Notice where the notes fall while you’re counting along.

THAT is what I mean with “randomness”.

This line was not “meticulously composed”
The rhythmic placement of the notes in this scalar line, which consists of a repeating melodic sequence, is absolutely all over the place.

If this were meticulously composed a la Vai or Satriani, or Steve Morse or Greg Howse (just to name a few), then that scalar line would never have felt THAT loose rhythmically.
(Nor would they ever end up having to conclude the melodic passage with a random slide at the end to get the low E to nicely fall on beat 4)

In any case: that randomness, looseness, is one of the main causes of the performance sounding sloppy.

After all, the brain is more at ease when things are 100% worked out in great detail beforehand.
It relieves the brain from having to guess where all the notes fall.

As a result: more brain power can be assigned towards the physical, the performance execution.
Only so much brainpower can be assigned to any given task at any given time.

You will never play your cleanest or your best fast lines, when you’re making things up on the spot.

It’s an unbelievable paradox, that a musician who so greatly wants to align himself with Paganini and Bach, would so baldy neglect to copy their meticulous composition styles and mind-blowing attention to detail.

Conclusion

Hit me up anytime at [email protected] if you have any questions, or if you would like to book a lesson.

These free lessons are cool, but you will never experience the progress and results learning from blogs and videos, that my students experience in lessons.
There’s also much more cool stuff you can do with substitution pairs, and way more possibilities than can be covered in a video or blog.

That is why people take lessons: way better results and progress, much more complete information, way more creative ideas they learn in lessons than you can get from a blog.
There is only so much that self-study can accomplish.

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